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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:37 am 
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This fizz is coming somewhere from the power section. The fizz vanished when I plugged a stereo cable from the Headphone "Speaker Emulated" jack into a power amp running home speakers.

Confirm this for yourselves by running a cable from the headphone jack to your home stereo/entertainment system.

I cracked open my Mustang III out of curiosity. The digital preamp is a thing of beauty. However, the power section is lacking. As a result, .....the fizz after clean notes.


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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:38 am 
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I cracked open my Mustang III out of curiosity. The digital preamp is a thing of beauty. However, the power section is lacking. As a result, .....the fizz after clean notes.


How complicated would it be to bypass the built-in power supply and hook it up to another just to test the theory? We know it's not the speaker, cuz those can and have been swapped without any change.

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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:44 pm 
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How complicated would it be to bypass the built-in power supply and hook it up to another just to test the theory? We know it's not the speaker, cuz those can and have been swapped without any change.


It's quite simple to run a 1/8" stereo cable from the "Headphone" out jack of any Mustang amp and connect it to a home stereo, cd/radio player, etc. This will test the theory for you.

I went the complicated route and took out the 1/8" mini headphone jack and replaced it with a 1/4" stereo jack located in a new position by the speaker. It keeps it out of the way. I then bolted a power amp in the cavity and wired it to the speaker. See pics from the links below. The amp remains mono and is still very loud. The tone of this Mustang is worthy of professional recording and gigging. The digital engineering of the preamp is impressive. Only drawback is I need to plug in two cables into an outlet. This procedure should only be performed by your local guitar tech. I did it because I had most of the parts available. It cost me only $3 dollars for the replacement 1/4" stereo jack.

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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:11 pm 
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to me that's not the same as taking the actual output that's going to the power amp and rerouting that to a different power amp. Is there cabling in between the preamp section and the power amp?

What you did was a clever workaround using the headphone out. Nice job!

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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:35 pm 
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I did something a little less elegant but with a lot more power recently...
I hooked the headphones out to one of these http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KP200S/

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I have sold both of those amps and now have a Fender Mustang Floor unit...
Man I miss that Motion Sound KP200S, that thing jammed...

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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:02 am 
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brucefulton wrote:
I found a better solution as well, and while somewhat more than the II, it didn't cost anywhere near $2k. And it models clean.


Is it a British brand with 3 letters?


http://s968.photobucket.com/albums/ae16 ... AC15C2.jpg

I returned my Fizztang IV and bought a Vox with two speakers and the sound is great !
So now I have a real tube amp, and with the added pedal, I have the USB and all of the
same things the fizztang did.


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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
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....my Fizztang IV ....all of the
same things the fizztang did.


Oh wait, fizztang .... FIZZ tang, like MUStang :lol: I see what you did there, woo hoo! I've seen it before, but for some reason it's funny every single time! woooo!!!

happy to report mine still sounds great, no sign of any 'artifacts' so far so good, picked it up new in the beginning of March 2012.

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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:05 pm 
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I just purchased a Mustang III. It gives me the Fender sounds I can't get out of my Vox Tonelab and my Blackstar HT-5. No fizz. I'm really digging the Johnny Marr patches. So far, I think it is phenomenal amp for what it costs and what it does. It complements my other amps very well. As long as I get no fizz, a winner is you. :wink: (geeky videogamism)

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 Post subject: FIXED!!: Mustang III - (Strange Fizz Sound)
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:27 am 
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baerashbrewer wrote:
People have been talking about this on the "Obnoxious Tail End Distortion" thread, however, this seems to be a very popular and growing concern that is different than the tail-end distortion. Just to quickly bring everyone up to speed, it is the following sound that user "polishbroadcast" posted on the other thread:
http://snd.sc/iSNmTr
EDIT: Here is another recording that I made (explained later in the thread)
http://soundcloud.com/user4316001/musta ... range-fizz Forums all over the internet are posting about this sound, calling it:
Sitar-Like Phaser Sound Bad MP3 sound Strange Fizz Etc.
There are even some reviews on big online retailers starting to pop up.
Here is my research:
The sound is called "Digital Aliasing." Some think it is a firmware issure, some thing it's a power issue. Fender is going to have to be the one to tell us. I was convinced to send mine back until I heard that many people have and gotten the same problem. I went to my local music store (I bought mine online) and found that the demo model there had the same problem. Funny enough, the guy working at the store said he couldn't hear it, although he has been playing clubs for 40 years.
Here is everything that I have tried:
Updating Firmware
Attaching different speaker (very broken-in speaker)
Changing advanced amp settings in fuse
Tried mustang I and II amps (Both did not have the problem, from what I hear, IV and V don't either)
It sounds like there are a lot of these amps out there with many people complaining about this noise. It makes it embarrassing to bring to rehearsals, unbearable to practice with (if using clean tones), and impossible to practice with. All three things I bought this amp for and I am sure that many other people did also.
I really hope fender gets on this and fixes this problem. Please post anything else that you have found regarding this noise. I think this amp is amazing, I am a professional guitarist, and if fixed, this amp is going to be just simply amazing. I held on to it fender, I have trust it you.


I bought the amp Fender Mustang III 100 Watt 1x12 in June 2012. The FIRMWARE is uptodate, and fiddling with presets in FUSE didn't help losing the FIZZZ: I was in shock when i discovered this strange continues fizz sound.

I always play with headphones but too my suprise this FIZZZ came through when i pulled the jack. I'm completely disgruntled about it and i don't know what to do either.
It does help if u drive down the volume (& gain) a bit, but the sound is utmost annoying! Although like baerashbrewer said you can't hear it through the headphones; but i do! But LUCKILY it's fizzin' very softly...
Yes, not ALL presets have this, 'uch', but it's a real downer to me that this thing doesn't work properly...


Okey, since i have this problem for 2 days i think i found a solution to FIX the FIZZ: Yes to get rid of it completely!! Here's my stepthrough:

Open Fender Fuse
Put on your amp
Select a preset that FIZZEZ (amp)
Press the 'Advanced amp' tab
Adjust the Depth down and up and all the way up again.
SAVE
OK??


All you have to do now is go through all presets that's FIZZIN and alter it like i explained and 'all's well' again. lol :mrgreen:

I Have to point out though that this not works for all presets but it really has to do with tresh and depth and master volume and noise gate in advanced tab. Just turn both of these a notch and fiddle with it until the fizz is gone :(

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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:06 am 
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I've got a Mustang IV I bought about a month ago, and its Fizz free... I guess I got lucky! The mfg date is 12/2010
I use this amp with 2 different bands and it just sounds great and so easy to use!


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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
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I am curious to know, with all the hoopla that was made on this board about this fizz issue, has anyone tried Vinze's fix? Has it been confirmed or dissproved?


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I am curious to know, with all the hoopla that was made on this board about this fizz issue, has anyone tried Vinze's fix? Has it been confirmed or dissproved?


The majority of people who claim to have an issue do not seem to be interested in troubleshooting. You can't tell them anything they don't already know. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
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I am curious to know, with all the hoopla that was made on this board about this fizz issue, has anyone tried Vinze's fix? Has it been confirmed or dissproved?


The majority of people who claim to have an issue do not seem to be interested in troubleshooting. You can't tell them anything they don't already know. :roll:


I noticed that a couple of people said that one of the firmware updates apparently fixed their problem. I haven't seen any others come forward either way. I wonder if those who originally had the problem updated their firmware and the problem was solved, so they just faded from the forum without comment. I never had the issue with mine, so I can't say either way.

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thompal wrote:
I wonder if those who originally had the problem updated their firmware and the problem was solved, so they just faded from the forum without comment.


@thompal

As a participant in the fizz and tail end distortion threads ... from way, way back ... IMO the answer to your question may be ... they merely got tired of dealing with the problem, with Fender etc ... tired of hashing it out in this forum ... and just moved on ...

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 Post subject: Re: Mustang III - Digital Aliasing (Strange Fizz Sound)
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KenB5 wrote:
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I wonder if those who originally had the problem updated their firmware and the problem was solved, so they just faded from the forum without comment.


@thompal

As a participant in the fizz and tail end distortion threads ... from way, way back ... IMO the answer to your question may be ... they merely got tired of dealing with the problem, with Fender etc ... tired of hashing it out in this forum ... and just moved on ...

KenB


It's possible. Like I said, I have a III, but mine has never had the problem, so I have been relying on what others here say about it. I work for a major retailer, and actually sell a LOT of these, and want to keep a REAL close eye on problems that linger.

IN the past 6 months, I've never had one person call and say they had this problem with theirs. And I get a TON of feedback from repeat customers!!!!!!

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