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 Post subject: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:57 am 
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Hi There.
Im not sure if this is correct forum for this question but feel free to move it, my question I have a Fender jaguar and a hot rod II deluxe (nice amp) i used to use a Boss GX700 rack effects but decided to go back to pedals. Can anybody give me any advise on the pedal chain. Here's what I have:
Boss Super Overdrive
Boss Feedbacker/Distortion
Boss Digital Delay (DD3)
Boss Chorus
Boss Noise Suppressor (NS-2)
Behringer Tremolo
Dunlop Crybaby
Behringer Tuner

Whats the best chain?

I was thinking (after looking through internet) that put the delay in the effects loop and then from guitar to amp

Guitar-->Super Overdrive-->Feedbacker/distortion-->Wah-->Chorus-->Tremolo-->Noise Suppressor-->Tuner-->Amp
I'm not sure whether to put the noise Sup after the OD & Distortion or after the wah or at the end of the chain.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:08 am 
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This is the way I would do it:

Tuner
Overdrive
Wah
Chorus
Tremolo
Distortion
Noise Suppressor
Delay

I wouldn't use the effects loop; it makes many effects sound sterile and brittle (unless that's the sound you're going for  :P ).

Here's my reasoning for the pedaling order (and this is purely my preference and opinion, your results may vary):
The tuner first (assuming you have it set up to go to mute when it is engaged) can be used as a mute when you're switching guitars. Also--distortion (due to harmonic overtones) and modulation effects (wah, chorus, tremolo) can throw off the tuning just enough to make it a bit wobbly.

Overdrive second-because I personally like the sound of an overdriven modulation effect, like wah, chorus or tremolo. It adds a richness and texture that works for my playing style. Also, in the good ol' days when tremolo was a regular feature on amps, if your amp was overdriven (naturally or because of a pedal), the tremolo effect was overdriven, too.

Modulation effects (wah, chorus, tremolo) next--basically for the reasons I just mentioned to put the overdrive second. You might play around with which of these three pedals goes first, because a chorus-affected wah might sound better to you than a wah-affected chorus (if you ever turn on more than one of these types of effects at once).

Distortion--because if you put a wah/chorus/tremolo effect into the distortion, it adds a cool, quacky smoothness to those effects. It can tend to over-modulate those effects, so some knob tweaking on the distortion may be in order.

Noise suppressor--with guitar, this goes second to last, before the delay/echo effects; the trailing repeats of the delayed signal will be seen (by the NS) as artifact/noise and will screw up your echoes. HOWEVER, if you are playing harmonica through your effects, put the NS before all effects, because you must eliminate the noise before it hits your other effects  to help prevent feedback (a harp mic is much hotter than the hottest guitar pickups).

Delay--Last, for the reasons I stated above regarding noise suppression.

Of course, this is my opinion and preference only. Many people put all the modulation pedals first, feeding them a clear, clean signal. I personally like my way better.

Play around and figure out what works best for you...and show us some pics when you're done!

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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:19 am 
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Many thanks for your reply, that sounds a good idea, I like the idea of the dist after the modulation pedals, just one question, I take it the setup would be:
Guitar
Tuner
Overdrive
Wah
Chorus
Tremolo
Distortion
Noise Suppressor
Delay
Amp
Many thanks again
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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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tomb65 wrote:
I take it the setup would be:
Guitar
Tuner
Overdrive
Wah
Chorus
Tremolo
Distortion
Noise Suppressor
Delay
Amp
Many thanks again

That's it!
...except, what is a "Many thanks again" effect? :lol: Just kidding...

I've spent way too much time playing with the order of my effects pedals (I would probably be better off if I would have been practicing instead), and I've been able to find what works for me...as far as pedal order, nothing should be set in stone.
...and really--we want pics!

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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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Have you never heard a Many thanks again pedal, wow man you havent lived :D
Any way I'll set them up tonight and see how they sound (at work just now), and no probs I'll post some pic's
Thanks again
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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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No problem...btw, what kind of patch cables and power supply are you using?

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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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Tried your setup, it sounds good, I'll try it out right in the studio on Sunday (cant have it too loud or the neighbours'll go nuts)

I was using a boss psm-5 but using a 9 way splitter with a 9v adapter just now, patch cables are the small grey ones that come with the boss effects case.
How do you add pics?
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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5c14bf40 ... &sc=photos

Not sure if this'll work, I need to get a pedal board so I can have them at easy access :D
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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:08 am 
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The link you gave won't allow access without an account/membership.

Best method to post pics:
[url]viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52777&hilit=Nutter%27s+guide[/url]

I use Photobucket for my stuff.

BTW, if you have an undue amount of noise, the patch cables are usually the first suspect, in my experience. I have had really good results with the Planet Waves patch cord kit (a DIY kit for making patch cords).

To heck with the neighbors, crank it up!! :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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added them to photobucket, forgot I had an account with them, here you go:

http://s920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/tomb65/
My jaguar is in there as well
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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

I wouldn't use the effects loop; it makes many effects sound sterile and brittle (unless that's the sound you're going for  :P ).


Is this true of all effects loops? A new amp is my next purchase and an effects loop was part of my criteria. Some have them, some don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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tomb65 wrote:
added them to photobucket, forgot I had an account with them, here you go:

http://s920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/tomb65/
My jaguar is in there as well
Tom

Love the white with tortoise pickguard...that's a good looking axe!

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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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Drew365 wrote:
Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

I wouldn't use the effects loop; it makes many effects sound sterile and brittle (unless that's the sound you're going for  :P ).

Is this true of all effects loops? A new amp is my next purchase and an effects loop was part of my criteria. Some have them, some don't.

I have never had a good experience with effects loops; some people swear by them, but they always sound brittle to me...that's just my experience. I would broaden my search and just concentrate on getting the best I can for my budget.

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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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Ive actualy noticed that since taking the effects out of the effects loop the guitar is a lot brighter, I might experiment with maybe putting the delay in there, I like the idea of delay after the preamp and before the power amp. As for the jag she plays like a dream get that bright jag sound with humbuckers set to single coil, then move the slider and get a vintage strat sound.
I think the humbuckers add to the guitar.
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 Post subject: Re: Fender Hot Rod III deluxe and effects loop
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tomb65 wrote:
Ive actualy noticed that since taking the effects out of the effects loop the guitar is a lot brighter, I might experiment with maybe putting the delay in there, I like the idea of delay after the preamp and before the power amp. As for the jag she plays like a dream get that bright jag sound with humbuckers set to single coil, then move the slider and get a vintage strat sound.
I think the humbuckers add to the guitar.
Tam

Give it a shot--that's the cool thing about pedals, there's no "right way"...what I was telling you was the way I do it; one of the guys I used to jam with put his pedals in a totally different configuration--and it sounded good, too.

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